Comments on: Discrimination in World of Warcraft http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/ For those interested in the business of making great video games. Entrepreneurial spirit a must. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:07:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cybernigga http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-179060 cybernigga Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:15:44 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-179060 @tommy what you say is irrelevant because no word is anything but a symbol. The fact is that when you say those words a large number of minds conjure only images of one certain race that corrseponds to them. This is why people take offense. And you are stupid and naive if you dont understand that. If any one would like to share thier stories and experiecnes or non experiences of race in wow you can post them here. http://aniggaincyberspace.com @tommy what you say is irrelevant because no word is anything but a symbol. The fact is that when you say those words a large number of minds conjure only images of one certain race that corrseponds to them. This is why people take offense. And you are stupid and naive if you dont understand that.

If any one would like to share thier stories and experiecnes or non experiences of race in wow you can post them here. http://aniggaincyberspace.com

]]> By: tommy http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-133106 tommy Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:56:53 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-133106 I back this, The fact that we have to devote time to discussing why saying nigger is wrong actually creates the racism you so desire to fight get over yourselves The fact is, a nigger isn\'t a race. It\'s a degenerate subculture in the USA of unproductive african americans. Just like a redneck isn\'t a race, a nigger isn\'t a race, it\'s just scum. Nothing wrong with black people, but if they play into the cliche of niggerdom, they suck. Nothing wrong with country folk, but if they are ignorant rednecks, they suck. Nothing wrong with latinos, but if they hit on 12 year old girls, they suck. All races have your cliches, don\'t play into them, and you won\'t be called a derogatory term. Stupid politically correct fucks, stop being naive. I back this,

The fact that we have to devote time to discussing why saying nigger is wrong actually creates the racism you so desire to fight

get over yourselves

The fact is, a nigger isn\’t a race. It\’s a degenerate subculture in the USA of unproductive african americans. Just like a redneck isn\’t a race, a nigger isn\’t a race, it\’s just scum.

Nothing wrong with black people, but if they play into the cliche of niggerdom, they suck.
Nothing wrong with country folk, but if they are ignorant rednecks, they suck.
Nothing wrong with latinos, but if they hit on 12 year old girls, they suck.

All races have your cliches, don\’t play into them, and you won\’t be called a derogatory term.

Stupid politically correct fucks, stop being naive.

]]> By: Alex http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-118021 Alex Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:29:53 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-118021 Just one question, are you really this retarded or just don\'t play many games? It is you oversensitive fags that actually create racism. The fact that we have to devote time to discussing why saying nigger is wrong actually creates the racism you so desire to fight. A few other interesting things: 1. Niggers of the World SLAVERY ENDED MORE THAN 100 YEARS AGO ITS TIME TO GET TO WORK. 2. JEWS THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOT COMPLETELY ABOUT YOU, YET EVERY YEAR YOU TAKE AWAY THE PEOPLE IN THE HOLOCAUST NON JEWISH AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF JEWS DEAD. I REALLY DO NOT CARE WHETHER YOU ALL WOULD HAVE DIED OR NOT. 3. PROBLEMS WITH THE MIDDLE EAST ARE ALL YOUR FAULT SO TY. 4. SERIOUSLY IF YOU ARE GONNA PUBLISH THIS CRAP GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE THAT ACTUALLY HELPS. SOCIETY RATHER THAN CRY ABOUT WHY THE WORLD IS UNFAIR TO YOU. 5. AND SPANISH PEOPLE FUCKING LEARN ENGLISH OR STARVE ALONG WITH THE REST OF YOUR PEOPLE Just one question, are you really this retarded or just don\’t play many games? It is you oversensitive fags that actually create racism. The fact that we have to devote time to discussing why saying nigger is wrong actually creates the racism you so desire to fight. A few other interesting things:
1. Niggers of the World SLAVERY ENDED MORE THAN 100 YEARS AGO ITS TIME TO GET TO WORK.
2. JEWS THE HOLOCAUST WAS NOT COMPLETELY ABOUT YOU, YET EVERY YEAR YOU TAKE AWAY THE PEOPLE IN THE HOLOCAUST NON JEWISH AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF JEWS DEAD. I REALLY DO NOT CARE WHETHER YOU ALL WOULD HAVE DIED OR NOT.
3. PROBLEMS WITH THE MIDDLE EAST ARE ALL YOUR FAULT SO TY.
4. SERIOUSLY IF YOU ARE GONNA PUBLISH THIS CRAP GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE THAT ACTUALLY HELPS. SOCIETY RATHER THAN CRY ABOUT WHY THE WORLD IS UNFAIR TO YOU.
5. AND SPANISH PEOPLE FUCKING LEARN ENGLISH OR STARVE ALONG WITH THE REST OF YOUR PEOPLE

]]> By: Darren http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-106014 Darren Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:27:32 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-106014 The whole start of this was to do with the way people in mmog games play with each other but was considered to be racism and that people blame gold farmers for there own fault. The fact of the matter is that most of these games are played by greedy selfish pathetic children who\\\'s sole purpose it to get what they want and then to show off to everyone else how cool they are because they have such a huge ego and very little conception of what its like in real life at the mature end of the scale, best thing to do is to make a mmog game that is only for people 18+ who most fo the time are mature, at least to the extent it is well worth doing so people like us can play with like minded people instead of stupid greedy children who spoil the game for the more mature players. You other choice is to keep playing these games and simply only create groups that have people who communicate in the most commonest used language of english and not weaste time on others that very few speak compaired to the world population. I do this to elimate those that dont communicate and to where possible get rid of children, im happy that voice comms is coming out in wow, this way my groups will only be those that can speak on it so i can remove stupid children and enjoy the game properly with mature players. Also so i can make sure fair rules are followed like when gems drop in instances they go to the jewelcrafter first and formost not just a greed item, there are far 2 many greedy cunts in that game already its few and far between that you find a fair minded player. The whole start of this was to do with the way people in mmog games play with each other but was considered to be racism and that people blame gold farmers for there own fault.

The fact of the matter is that most of these games are played by greedy selfish
pathetic children who\\\’s sole purpose it to get what they want and then to show off to everyone else how cool they are because they have such a huge ego and very little conception of what its like in real life at the mature end of the scale, best thing to do is to make a mmog game that is only for people 18+ who most fo the time are mature, at least to the extent it is well worth doing so people like us can play with like minded people instead of stupid greedy children who spoil the game for the more
mature players. You other choice is to keep playing these games and simply only create groups that have people who communicate in the most commonest used language of english and not weaste time on others that very few speak compaired to the world population. I do this to elimate those that dont communicate and to where possible get rid of children, im happy that voice comms is coming out in wow, this way my groups will only be those that can speak on it so i can remove stupid children and enjoy the game properly with mature players. Also so i can make sure fair rules are followed like when gems drop in instances they go to the jewelcrafter first and formost not just a greed item, there are far 2 many greedy cunts in that game already its few and far between that you find a fair minded player.

]]> By: Dave http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-54184 Dave Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:40:22 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-54184 "China farmers". Exploitation of the working class and imposing slave wages are whats at the forfront of this issue. Not some 8 year old kid kicking an asian Farmer from a group.So group with a Farmer and aid in SLAVERY. Help him develop his english so he can become a more efficint SLAVE. With this type of glodal slave busniess based in China and backed by over 100,000 people, when does Discrimination turn to truth? When can generalization turn to fact? Not all Asians are farmers…But over 100,000 of them are! Take what you like from that. “China farmers”.

Exploitation of the working class and imposing slave wages are whats at the forfront of this issue. Not some 8 year old kid kicking an asian Farmer from a group.So group with a Farmer and aid in SLAVERY. Help him develop his english so he can become a more efficint SLAVE. With this type of glodal slave busniess based in China and backed by over 100,000 people, when does Discrimination turn to truth? When can generalization turn to fact? Not all Asians are farmers…But over 100,000 of them are! Take what you like from that.

]]> By: Dave http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-54183 Dave Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:38:56 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-54183 It makes no sense for a non English speaking person to play wow on an English speaking server. Communication in WOW is key for game play and everyone who plays the game knows this. Why would you play here if you cant speak English? There is no good reason. I have never seen anyone kicked out of a group for being Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, or what not. This is against Blizzards policy, and as in real life, if you are the subject of discrimination or harassment you can go through the proper channels to fight it. I have seen them kicked for either 1) Not listening 2) Ninjaing 3) lack of understanding what is being said. Discrimination is everywhere so why not in WOW. Don’t act all surprised when you find it here, for you would be naive to think else wise. I consider myself lucky to have not encountered it yet but I know its there and know my rights and the avenues to take if and when I see it. Now, let’s look at some facts about gold farmers: From WOWWIKKI.com According to estimates, around 100,000 people in China are employed as gold farmers, as of December 2005. [2] This represents about 0.4% of all online gamers in China. Chinese gold farmers typically work twelve hour shifts, and sometimes up to eighteen hour shifts. Wages depend heavily on location and the size of the gold farming company. One gold farming operation in Chongqing in central China with 23 gold farmers was reported to pay its employees the equivalent of about 120 U.S. dollars per month, while workers at a larger gold farm in Fuzhou earn the equivalent of about 250 U.S. dollars per month. The rising prevalence of gold farming has led to the creation of gold farm brokerages. Because of reports indicating many gold farmers are located in China they are sometimes referred to as \ It makes no sense for a non English speaking person to play wow on an English speaking server. Communication in WOW is key for game play and everyone who plays the game knows this. Why would you play here if you cant speak English? There is no good reason.

I have never seen anyone kicked out of a group for being Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, or what not. This is against Blizzards policy, and as in real life, if you are the subject of discrimination or harassment you can go through the proper channels to fight it. I have seen them kicked for either 1) Not listening 2) Ninjaing 3) lack of understanding what is being said. Discrimination is everywhere so why not in WOW. Don’t act all surprised when you find it here, for you would be naive to think else wise. I consider myself lucky to have not encountered it yet but I know its there and know my rights and the avenues to take if and when I see it.

Now, let’s look at some facts about gold farmers:

From WOWWIKKI.com

According to estimates, around 100,000 people in China are employed as gold farmers, as of December 2005. [2] This represents about 0.4% of all online gamers in China. Chinese gold farmers typically work twelve hour shifts, and sometimes up to eighteen hour shifts. Wages depend heavily on location and the size of the gold farming company. One gold farming operation in Chongqing in central China with 23 gold farmers was reported to pay its employees the equivalent of about 120 U.S. dollars per month, while workers at a larger gold farm in Fuzhou earn the equivalent of about 250 U.S. dollars per month. The rising prevalence of gold farming has led to the creation of gold farm brokerages.

Because of reports indicating many gold farmers are located in China they are sometimes referred to as \

]]> By: Laff. http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-53150 Laff. Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:51:41 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-53150 Oh. My. God. Elitism in a MMORPG? Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Oh. My. God.

Elitism in a MMORPG? Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

]]> By: Chinese http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-7121 Chinese Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:16:48 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-7121 I am the Chinese, the WOW game. I did not know why the WOW game inventor why doesn\'t let a economic potentiality endlessly catches up with the country (China) the person play such game, lets us gain to more foreign exchange. When your that purple is attaching the evil spirit the weapon and my gate PVP time, really did not know US has killed my gate is any type feeling. No, that is the discrimination. They had not thought my gate, how hasn\'t been able to appear that many game gold coin, how returns lets the gold coin depreciate, has how can let by the least prices play the family to have the best equipment. Perhaps I said too superficial, I the understanding am perhaps insufficient to WOW. But calculated does not have the Chinese to play this game. The world also is returns by such form appears. Only if the world is average. A Chinese says own idea. I am the Chinese, the WOW game. I did not know why the WOW game inventor why doesn\’t let a economic potentiality endlessly catches up with the country (China) the person play such game, lets us gain to more foreign exchange. When your that purple is attaching the evil spirit the weapon and my gate PVP time, really did not know US has killed my gate is any type feeling. No, that is the discrimination. They had not thought my gate, how hasn\’t been able to appear that many game gold coin, how returns lets the gold coin depreciate, has how can let by the least prices play the family to have the best equipment. Perhaps I said too superficial, I the understanding am perhaps insufficient to WOW. But calculated does not have the Chinese to play this game. The world also is returns by such form appears. Only if the world is average. A Chinese says own idea.

]]> By: egoblog.net » Blog Archive » Gold farms : Économie parallèle et mmorpg ? http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-1938 egoblog.net » Blog Archive » Gold farms : Économie parallèle et mmorpg ? Sat, 20 May 2006 12:38:17 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-1938 [...] Un phénomène qui semble se répandre sans aucun contrôle à travers le monde. Dernier exemple en date, World of Warcraft (wow) qui induit bien malgré lui un commerce sans précédent (notamment en Asie et surtout en Chine) à travers les “Gold Farms“. Ces “fermes virtuelles” proposent aux joueurs en échange d’un paiement par carte bleu, d’artificiellement booster leur personnage. Ces dernières, essentiellement chinoises, ont même été à l’origine d’un scandale quasi diplomatique, lorsque wow a tenté de fermer la connexion à tous les joueurs chinois de wow, sans distinction (du fait de ces dérives). Une discrimination que certains de la communauté ont dénoncé. On a pas fini d’entendre parler des mmorpg… (Les links sont en [eng]) [...] [...] Un phénomène qui semble se répandre sans aucun contrôle à travers le monde. Dernier exemple en date, World of Warcraft (wow) qui induit bien malgré lui un commerce sans précédent (notamment en Asie et surtout en Chine) à travers les “Gold Farms“. Ces “fermes virtuelles” proposent aux joueurs en échange d’un paiement par carte bleu, d’artificiellement booster leur personnage. Ces dernières, essentiellement chinoises, ont même été à l’origine d’un scandale quasi diplomatique, lorsque wow a tenté de fermer la connexion à tous les joueurs chinois de wow, sans distinction (du fait de ces dérives). Une discrimination que certains de la communauté ont dénoncé. On a pas fini d’entendre parler des mmorpg… (Les links sont en [eng]) [...]

]]> By: Mike http://www.edery.org/2006/01/discrimination-in-world-of-warcraft/comment-page-3/#comment-1528 Mike Wed, 10 May 2006 18:03:07 +0000 http://www.edery.org/?p=90#comment-1528 Grats to the original poster for brining up an important issue. I've read these posts and the thing I don't see addressed is that everyone is blaming the gold farmers, but no one is blaming the buyers. Gold farming wouldn't exist if no one would buy the stuff, and so the buyers are half the problem. And since most buyers are American, and most Americans are white I don't ever see any posts about a "goddamn Honky Buyer driving up prices in the AH!". I've been playing WOW since the beginning and I know lots of kids play this game. If you hate gold farmers, fine, but don't use "Chinese Farmer" as we all know that has a negative and racist connotation. To those of you who say "it's just a game", these words really do affect kids and the ignorant. And to those who of you cursing these Chinese Farmers, don't hate the player, hate the game. If you could play video games all day long and then have some dude in some other country pay you enough to feed your whole family for a year, you'd be doing the same thing. It's a fucking awesome business plan. Capitalist Americans SHOULD KNOW THIS. So the next time you blame a Chinese farmer, blame the goddamn honky buyer who's too lazy to run UBRS and throws down real money to buy the Pristine Hide of the Beast. Grats to the original poster for brining up an important issue. I’ve read these posts and the thing I don’t see addressed is that everyone is blaming the gold farmers, but no one is blaming the buyers. Gold farming wouldn’t exist if no one would buy the stuff, and so the buyers are half the problem. And since most buyers are American, and most Americans are white I don’t ever see any posts about a “goddamn Honky Buyer driving up prices in the AH!”. I’ve been playing WOW since the beginning and I know lots of kids play this game. If you hate gold farmers, fine, but don’t use “Chinese Farmer” as we all know that has a negative and racist connotation. To those of you who say “it’s just a game”, these words really do affect kids and the ignorant.

And to those who of you cursing these Chinese Farmers, don’t hate the player, hate the game. If you could play video games all day long and then have some dude in some other country pay you enough to feed your whole family for a year, you’d be doing the same thing. It’s a fucking awesome business plan. Capitalist Americans SHOULD KNOW THIS. So the next time you blame a Chinese farmer, blame the goddamn honky buyer who’s too lazy to run UBRS and throws down real money to buy the Pristine Hide of the Beast.

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